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Originally posted by Klumzy
MY RESPONSE----dude just understand this, i didn't mean to offend you or the arabs, but i just think the government is doing a good job handling the situation...
fine, intentions aren't everything.
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MY RESPONSE-----well, that's never gonna happen, seeing as your still around  j/k but seriosly, do u see america going arround arresting all the arabs?? i dont think so... they are just arresting people who THEY suspect ... not just everyone who looks arabic
it doesn't matter about it not happening. We were talking about your views on the issue, not america's. Sure, you advocated the actions taken place by the INS, but we're ultimately talking about what you said. Still, under YOUR rationale we should detain everyone for teh greater good of the people (utilitarianism).
And, yeah, sure america is doing that.
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YOUR QUOTE------Let's detain me and everyone else...oh nevermind...it's only 500-1000 people! all at the sake of capturing "terrorists."
MY RESPONSE------i thought i said its better to detain 500-1000 innocent arabs to prevent another massarce like 9/11...did i say that?? i'm not sure... but seriosly HOW CAN YOU MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY??? its simple, you can't... that's why the government gots to do SOMETHING, and this is the result of it
My question for you is not how can you make everyone happy, but: "Why would you risk the happiness of others in order to maintain the amelioration of the whole?" Why sacrifice me and arabs just so everyone else can be happy? Again, this goes back to the one point i made about this in my post:
Why pick and choose?
Furthermore, do i really have to adhere to what you said? I mean, it's not as if implications are an irrational argument, especially when it points directly in that directon. Often, extrapolations can help us see the flaws in arguments since they are taking place on a grander scale. not only that, but they give us a better understanding of what this precedent will mean in the future will extrapolation is bound to occur. And, lastly i don't see why you said that on this point. I did adhere clearly to what you said, i said sardonically "ooh it's only 500-1000 people" or whatever, which is what you said. That is sarcastically saying that you can't weigh human lives, as you do.
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MY RESPONSE-------- you're right, its a bad example to set but hey, in some situations like this, you cant come out with answer where everyone can benefit from... man im not sure if u understood bad, my bad english... not good... also as the US elected president, Bush should do WHAT HE THINKS IS BEST FOR TEH NATION... if you didn't like he's decision, just dont vote for him next time... i dunnno, i think he's making the best out of a bad situation, but hey who knows, im just a stupid kid with no brain
yes, it is a bad example. Then why advocate it?
well, there is a simple way that everyone can benefit from it. Not detain 500-1000 people letting them wait in an increasingly long wait for them to be questioned and cleared. That'd benefit everyone. Do more than they're doing right now. And, bush isn't the one doing this...that's the INS. If i don't like his decision, i can vote for someone else next time? it's not that simple. Think about it, i'm only one person. second of all, i have to factor in the other candidates...i don't want gore in there and since he's not running next time i hope the liberal candidate next tiem will be better, so i wanted bush in there. Then you hvae to factor in inevitability, if someone is going to win...they are going to no matter what...and me voting otherwise isn't going to do anything but satisfy my moral standards and not change anything. There are more reasons than that. I don't feel liek thinking/typing more cause people don't read long messages.
Hey, don't cut down on yourself. If you are wrong you are wrong, if you are right you are right. And, still that's all subjective. Don't call yourself stupid, it's not a big deal if anybody is right or if anybody is wrong.
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MY RESPONSE----------im glad im not running this country too because it WOULD BE (@*!&(@!&*$ed up...but back to your quote... i dunno, i think america did what was in her best interest... and that was to put the japanss in camps... personally i think japan would have done the same thing, OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY for that matter, if americans were living in japan... so i think america did what any other country would have done... i dont have a right to say it was right or wrong... BUT THATS WHY EVERYONE SHOULD LIVE IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY AND NOT IMMIGRATE... im a immigrant but i wish i didnt come here and just live in my country, none of this RACISMS and crap like that would happen, or am i wrong again???
haha, all right
i don't think reciprocity (other people doing the same thing) is any justification for the US doing it. I don't care if another coutnry did it or would have...we did it and i live here and i think we should be better than other nations just we should always strive to be the better person in any instance. Here's a real life situation:
someone punches you with the intent to start a fight. Do you punch them back or not in order to be the better person? Yes, you were probably taught to be the better person and not punch back. We all are. Why not america as a whole?
Just a side note, but why do you hate "being wrong" so much? No one cares if you are or aren't. Anyway, i think that is terrible. Immigration should be allowed, i dont' see why we have to balkanize the entire world all for the sake of mere racism being resolved. And, no need to harp over my use of the word "mere" attached to racism. I use that to show how miniscule it is comparatively with the lack of other benefits such as diversity and such that would not be here if we had a balkanized world. It's like global apartheid...ugh, it's ugly.
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YOUR QUOTE--------. And, you don't think arabs have a right to protest? That is so offensive. Why don't i have a right to protest? Seriously, tell me, i think i am much more deserving than a lot of these utterly stupid americans that live here...and you are telling me i somehow don't have a right to?
MY RESPONSE------ my responsed was biased, i guess im wrong like usual :( but americans aren't utterly stupid... don't get me wrong, im not a american-lover or anything like that but if your statement is right, how come America is on top of the world? the thing that i dont get is... why don't someone butcher YASSER ARAFAT, sorry got off topic
umm, you missed the entirety of the sentence. Again, who cares if you are wrong anyway.
Look at what i said, i said "like a lot of these utterly stupid americans." A lot means not a whole. I don't think all americans are stupid, then i would htink i was stupid as well. America is on the top of the world because we have smart people within our very stupid society.
We don't butcher yasser arafat because we can't just go around killing world leaders. Think of hte reciprocal effects that could incur. There is more hate towards the US than to yasser arafat. People would definately kill bush if it wasn't for something called precedent, and whatever pact we signed.
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MY RESPONSE------------god this is getting loooong... now i see your point, i was baised again... but like i said, YOU CANT MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY... or the world would be a better place for me too!
all right.
Again, you can make more people happy by not commiting outright injustices. the world could be a better place if we just didn't do that all for the sake of utilitarianism.
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MY RESPONSE-------------glad you're not mad, i didn't mean to offend arabs, i just wrote that because i agree with what bush is trying to do to prevent another massacre... i like to believe in the goodwill of our leaders... i just be a follower that's all so no need to BASH ME
people don't always intend for what follows. That's usually never the point. I don't mind though.
But still, bush isn't behind all this. It's the INS, sure bush will back it because he won't say the INS is doing wrong from somehting he helped to get into ruling. But, it's not just bush. I like to believe in the goodwill of our leaders, and i do...but i think that goodwill isn't enough when it's blind.
And...how did i bash you? Seriously, i don't htink i did at all.
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OMG SOMEONE BETTER READ ALL THAT SHIT I WROTE... took forever... well to answer crazy's question " WTF is wrong with you" i say this... nothing, wtf is wrong with thinking bush is making the best decision out of a bad situation??
hahaha now you know what it's like hehe. I'll respond to that question since i feel like it and support what victor said pretty much as well. There's nothing wrong with bush making the best out of a situation, but why expect that much to outweigh everything else? sure good intentions only go so far.
Anywah, thank you that was fun
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