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Posted by azn0monk on 01-22-2003 07:39 PM:

jay, your not making a point here

Posted by K_BoI323 on 01-22-2003 08:49 PM:

hehe i noe... ^^;;;;;;;

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Posted by Ladi Jay on 01-22-2003 08:58 PM:

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Originally posted by azn0monk
jay, your not making a point here

well, what I meant is, if they wanna be known as taiwanese, then let it be... I mean, I wouldn't wanna be known as... say Japanese, if I wasn't... just like everyone else wouldn't wanna be known as something else that they're not... the majority that is...

Posted by K_BoI323 on 01-22-2003 10:30 PM:

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Originally posted by Ladi Jay
well, what I meant is, if they wanna be known as taiwanese, then let it be... I mean, I wouldn't wanna be known as... say Japanese, if I wasn't... just like everyone else wouldn't wanna be known as something else that they're not... the majority that is...

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Posted by azn0monk on 01-22-2003 10:31 PM:

no lol kboi was just joking around.

Posted by daNNy LuV 1TYM on 01-23-2003 02:51 AM:

taiwanese pplz - like native taiwanese pplz who don't have chinese ancestry - get mad if u refer to them as chinese becuz taiwan wants to be its own country. i hav a few frenz like that and they're like "we're not CHINESE, we're TAIWANESE!"
i'm chinese. mai parents were born in taiwan, but mai grandparents and all mai ancestors before that are from mainland china. so i consider maiself chinese. if i were taiwanese, i wud say i'm taiwanese. aiyah i dun think this is making any sense

Posted by Ladi Jay on 01-23-2003 08:56 PM:

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Originally posted by K_BoI323

your confused??? I'm confused... 'specially with seon ho's post...

Posted by MiGhTy KiTTy on 01-24-2003 03:57 AM:

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Originally posted by KeN VeRsUs RyU
im taiwanese.

sure you are pres dorko. :P where from taiwan did you come from? hahah. ^^

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Posted by TyGer STyLe on 01-24-2003 05:42 AM:

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Originally posted by PsychoSnowman
i think it's rude to refer to them as chinese people. By doing so, you are effectually not recognizing their country as legitamate, and not acknowledging its sovereignty. Should we call white people (assuming proper descent) who are in teh United States English then? Of course not, if they were born here then they are American, the same goes with taiwan. It doesn't matter where they came from, if they are part of a different country....just call them by their ACTUAL nationality. Not some derivative. It's insulting i think. They may be chinese by ancestry, but they sure aren't now. I can see why they would get pissed by people calling them chinese, because that word doesn't just entail a race, it entails a nationality with it...and Taiwan is not china. Simple as that.

So, are we all African then? I mean, our ancestors probably were from there.

okay just as a question... (not meaning i would knowingly call taiwanese, chinese just to piss them off) does what your saying mean that since i was born in the US i shouldn't identify being korean?

in my humble opinion people should just call what they wish to be called... if the person gets mad for being called something incorrect just correct the person and make sure they don't make the same mistake twice... i mean theres no need to get pissed off at an honest mistake... now if they did it knowingly thats a whole different story...

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Posted by micron on 01-24-2003 05:43 AM:

moved to enlightenment..

Posted by PsychoSnowman on 01-24-2003 09:01 PM:

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Originally posted by TyGer STyLe
okay just as a question... (not meaning i would knowingly call taiwanese, chinese just to piss them off) does what your saying mean that since i was born in the US i shouldn't identify being korean?

hmm, i mean that if you are born in a country you should have that in your "reference title." You can be called whatever you want of course, but i think there is a lot less discrepancy if someone calls someone by their politically correct name. But, it's always up to the person i suppose, but i just don't like linguistics being oppressive by denying or rejecting certain countries by the reference title someone refers to a person as. So to answer the question, i'd say if you are born or are a citizen of a country i'd say to call them by that in conjunction with whatever race they happen to be. Like, Korean-American. But, i don't think it's insulting to just call someone by American because it'd be most correct in political terms. But the other entailings could follow if the person wishes. Hmm this wasn't supposed to be so long, i can't articulate what i mean....hmm all right. If a person lives in a country and has citizenship then i think it's mean to just not acknowledge it by forcing your opinions on them through linguistics. Becuase language entails an opinion, and it's effectually not dismissing the country if you don't acknowledge it. So of course people can be called what they want, but i think it's mean to not refer to them by their nationality, because it just seems less offensive to me than bounding everyone to a country where the race seemed to have started. Again, isn't everyone african then?

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in my humble opinion people should just call what they wish to be called... if the person gets mad for being called something incorrect just correct the person and make sure they don't make the same mistake twice... i mean theres no need to get pissed off at an honest mistake... now if they did it knowingly thats a whole different story...

that is a good opinion. I agree.

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Posted by LuvSunghoonie on 01-26-2003 07:04 PM:

Well.. Taiwanese people really hate being called Chinese.. I mean just because our ancestors were from China doesnt make us Chinese.. b/c if thats the case you can say that people in America is not American, rather English b/c their ancestors were from England right?

Anyways I'm not saying Taiwanese is better than Chinese.. or anything like that.. rather I'm just saying we're two diff. type of culture/language/people.. thus making us an ethnicity of our own.

I'm Taiwanese and personally I dont like being called Chinese it really offends me.

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well, what I meant is, if they wanna be known as taiwanese, then let it be... I mean, I wouldn't wanna be known as... say Japanese, if I wasn't... just like everyone else wouldn't wanna be known as something else that they're not... the majority that is...

And you have a point.. b/c I'm sure a Korean person wouldnt want to be called Japanese or Chinese right?

And one more thing.. the place your born into and sometimes your citizenship may be two diff. place.. but usually wha parents you were born to defines your ethnicity & race

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Posted by Klumzy on 02-05-2003 09:15 PM:

i like to think of it like this...

china wants taiwan to be part of china...
taiwan don't want to have anything to do with china...

so in conclusion i would say taiwan > than china

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Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 02-06-2003 12:55 AM:

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Originally posted by Klumzy
china wants taiwan to be part of china...
taiwan don't want to have anything to do with china...

so in conclusion i would say taiwan > than china

ok, that is a very large leap of logic that really has no historical or factual evidence as a backbone. At least try to explain your reasoning.

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Posted by Klumzy on 02-21-2003 09:56 AM:

china wants to "force" taiwan to become part of china (i know this because i lived in taiwan for 4 years) but taiwan wants to stay independent

why did you think china had those military war games and buildup a long time ago, USA sent some warships and stuff like that

what more is there to explain?

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Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 02-21-2003 09:32 PM:

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Originally posted by Klumzy
china wants to "force" taiwan to become part of china (i know this because i lived in taiwan for 4 years) but taiwan wants to stay independent

why did you think china had those military war games and buildup a long time ago, USA sent some warships and stuff like that

what more is there to explain?

that still doesn't explain how Taiwan is greater than China using your original line of reasoning.

Posted by Alchemist on 02-21-2003 10:46 PM:

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Originally posted by Crazydeb8ter
that still doesn't explain how Taiwan is greater than China using your original line of reasoning.

Perhaps he means that Taiwan is closer to being a world superpower than China is. I'm not so sure of this myself.

Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 02-21-2003 11:08 PM:

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Originally posted by Alchemist
Perhaps he means that Taiwan is closer to being a world superpower than China is. I'm not so sure of this myself.

uh that's definately not true.

Posted by eddiee on 02-21-2003 11:15 PM:

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Originally posted by Crazydeb8ter
uh that's definately not true.

no way..i agree with you vic

Posted by Alchemist on 02-22-2003 01:14 AM:

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Originally posted by Crazydeb8ter
uh that's definately not true.

How did you know that wasn't what Klumzy was talking about?

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