if we advocate your view, we should stop searching for that which we perceive impossible to understand, or that we perceive important. What you are saying is that we should realize we cannot find the answer or it is not important and then refuse to question questioning, and becuase of that we should just reject all debate in this sense as a whole. Not a good idea, the implications leave us complacent and frozen in time, never progressing. What matters differs from person to person, you know that. To impose your idea of this being meaningful would be rather coercive, yeah? Debate does not become meaningless, everything has as much meaning as you infuse with it.

It is not debating for the sole purpose of debating, it is debating to gain knowledge.

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if we advocate your view, we should stop searching for that which we perceive impossible to understand, or that we perceive important.

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well... i never said that? nor was it implied...

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is instincts common sense ???

well einstein said that common sense is just a build up form of prejudices ....

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Eh... instincts have been catagorically accepted by modern biologists to exist.

For example, (another baby example) a child is born. It takes a breath. This was not taught behavior as it has had no prior experience with breathing or any training from the mother. Instinctively, the baby knew that it had to breathe to assure it's survival.

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Eh... instincts have been catagorically accepted by modern biologists to exist.

For example, (another baby example) a child is born. It takes a breath. This was not taught behavior as it has had no prior experience with breathing or any training from the mother. Instinctively, the baby knew that it had to breathe to assure it's survival.

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In that case does this mean that any process carried out by the autonomic nervous system is instinct? What about the beating of the heart, or the digestive system?

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Those are internally regulated by the subconcious. You can't tell your heart to beat. But you control breathing. There's a big difference.

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Breathing conducted during sleep isn't the same thing as your first, controlled breath.

Prove that a baby doesn't breathe in by will to survive and you win this debate. .

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Breathing conducted during sleep isn't the same thing as your first, controlled breath.

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That's like saying a fishing boat under the command of a fisherman isn't the same as the first fishing boat which I go on with a rifle and commandeer, assuming that you’re talking about a consciously controlled breath.

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No, it's not the same thing, and FYI, your analogy didn't make sense, please try again.

You're trying to rip me on an argument based on psyche, once again you have to prove that the subconscious mind's functions are the same of that of the conscious. Breathing regulated through slumber is NOT the same as breathing while you're awake. Think of it as a machine... while you're awake, a person pumps the machine... while you're asleep it's on auto. And no, you're not ALWAYS on auto.

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I'm typing this right now, and have absolutely no thoughts devoted to the conscious control of my breath.

We CAN control our breathing, we don't HAVE to while we are awake. It is, for the most part, subconscious. That's why to control your breathing to different degrees needs to be learned (like Lamaze or Yoga). Very few times are you actually, CONSCIOUSLY controlling your breath.

Honestly, do you physically make yourself breathe in and out every single breath you take during the day (day = while you're awake)? Obviously we CAN make ourselves inhale and exhale, that's how people "take deep breaths" to calm their nerves. But then...why do we breathe faster when we do aerobic exercise? Our body controls that, NOT our minds.

As for the original question...I strongly believe in instinct. I'm sure we've all had personal experience with instinct. Someone throws a punch at you, you duck (I'm not talking about when you're in a fight, I'm talking about sometime when you have no time to think about it, you just react).

In addition, I've had some instincts in me tell me things, helping me with decisions all the time. It's just nature...I'm naturally more inclined to some things for reasons I cannot explain until I actually explore that choice.

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