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yay, capitalism. What's everyone think about it?
I don't feel like writing that much cause i'm about to go to sleep but i don't remember seeing this topic before. So...anyway i like capitalism to an extent. But, i'm speaking from a position where i really don't have to work hard to get anything. I'm all ready in there, and i don't have to further indulge in rugged individualism to find a place where i could live comfortably. If i was in a poorer status right now, i might think differently. But just because i say i like it doesn't mean i think it's the best system. It forms class sytems, and it's the epitome of human greed and the like. It encourages the rich to get richer and the poor to "work hard and you'll get there." When in reality, the poor will never all be able to make it to a comfortable standard of living. It's idealistic in a capitalist society. Sure, we have more "freedom" and "rights" but is that the best system for a civilization to operate on? Again, it creates a difference in classes by the very nature of the system. And, though people say socialism is utopian and everyone must share the same idealistic ideals in order for it to work. I think if socialism is done right, then it is probably the best form that has been postulated.
People can argue it's idealistic, but we've never had a country in the world that has done socialism correctly so there is no need to get rid of socialism entirely because it has failed in the past. I'll grant this though, capitalism has a very big advantage with innovation and the like. But, if we are to create a civilization in which we stray far from a libertarian view (i am sort of a libertarian if you must ask, i'm just commenting on this thread becuase i find it intriguing and if i were to be raised under it i might think differently) then socialism would do probably teh best job in taking care of it's own people. Everyone says "ooh communism is too idealist to work" but they have no idea why they say that, it's easy to say taht and not understand why it is or how it could be improved upon. It IS a good idea if a civilization's task is to protect and take care of it's own people. Think about it, it's not that idealistic if it's done right. If it had been in place for several generations, and from day one of a child's birth they were taught the "idealistic" values of socialism...it could feasibly work. Teaching a nation to want to protect it's own, just like we teach our kids today to innovate and be free market capitalists in our society, to make it on their own, and be rugged individualists, entrepreneurs and the rest. An education could aid in the legitimizing of this system. We could teach our children socialist ideals, and it would not be so idealist then. Sure, we'd have people bound on their own greed, but if we inflict that much disciplinary power with governmental intervention...i'm sure it could be rectified. yes, i know it sounds weird to hear me actually saying to use disciplinary power for the good of a nation, but in this society it would have to play a key role.
Clearly, whatever civilization taht would undertake this task would have to have an immense amount of disciplinary power for it to work. A french philosopher, Michel Foucault, wrote a lot about this...isolatory from capitalism though. I really don't think that is too far fetched for it to be considered totally idealist if we combine the too idealisms of marx and foucault though. I haven't read taht much marx and that is not helping right now, but i don't know how he planned on implementing socialism into real life, but i'd think this would be the most logical way. Education is the greatest discipline, and authors such as...hmm forgot, anyway they adduce disciplinary powers effects in religion and severly in such cases as the holy crusades and holy wars. It is a powerful thing. Anyway, even if the rebels arrive and succumb to greed. Socialism is not such a constricted system. It does have private sectors and that is one of the things that makes it better than communism. Don't confuse the two. Sure, one of the problems or impending problems of socialism is the high tax rates...but, if we are raised with the ideals that we need to be all utilitarian...i really dont' see it as that big of a problem to a non capitalist society. It'd only be relativistically a problem. Ooh i'm talking in circles, anyway disciplinary power is a great tool that has to be used in order for it to work. When we discipline ourselves, then we can maximize the potentiality of the system. I don't think it's THAT big of a leap to make that.
And, then there's the issue of innovation and economic prosperity. It'd be obvious that socialist nations would have a greater probability to have less innovation and hence be lesser advanced than capitalist societies...but then again, isn't that another relativistic problem? Ah, this is starting to sound bad, i'll stop. I should read more about this.
As for right now, i like capitalism, but i don't think it does its people justice in all fairness. It's responsible for a lot of mal factions such as class construction, entrenching of the poor, encouraging of the seeking to seek more even if it is beyond their grasp, and the neglecting of a government on its people. There's more reasons that are probably better. Ahh i have to go to sleep, i didn't want to type this long. Anyway, if i was raised under a socialist system i'd probably think that was great since it'd have such a better well being of the people. But, since i'm raised in a capitalist society and i'm greedy like that, i like capitalism. Yay. Have fun reading that if you would like. If you did, thakn you.
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Last edited by PsychoSnowman on 01-02-2003 at 07:54 AM
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