no offense taken as always ^^, anyway this will probably be long. I'm not going off on anyone , i just type a lot.
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1)Yeah, that was a quote i grabbed not targeted at you, only because it was an example i found in the thread. It was used regardless if you believed in it, and was used as an model for what i was talking about.
2)Yes, but i'm sure people didn't think everything was created in 7 days in ancient or whenever times. Hermeneutics has come recently as people have become aware of its improbability and the confrontation from science arguing creation's validity. Anyhoo, This is a question, how did the bible come from god? i don't know ^^; It was just written by people wasn't it? If so, how could they possibly have been right about the creation of everything thousands of years ago? A fairy tale, a fairy tale we take seriously, or the real deal?
3)Yes, but the bible is not a philosophy book (though it can be employed that way). It is a text of God. And if it says everything was created in 7 days? Then why isn't it? What i mean is that why is it written literally but has to be taken interpretively to find the "true meaning" of it. God writes symbolically then? Or is that up to our interpretation as well? This leads in circles.
4)They use the scripture to their purpose usually as answers to problems and whats wrong and right, but interpreting the bible differently than they have in the past does make it very able to make it more believable. How can it not?
5)a)As i see it, faith is accentuated through the reaffirming of the validity that different interpretations of the bible brings to better fit today's more modern and realistic view of creation. k, that was wordy, makes sense to me but if someone doesn't understand it then tell me and i'll rephrase it. But regardless if it is a case-by-case issue, it IS able and IS attached to faith to better validize it.
b)The reason(s) i say it corrupts logical thought is that religion requires one's devotion to it and people are scared to stray away from it. It denies simple common sense to make everything out to be created by a creator depicted as human form at that. If no one had read the bible their entire life, and never heard of creation through randomness or evolution, and they all read both works...i'm sure most would choose the creation through randomness for it's shear logical explanation. Through 20 years of life they had not known anything and would they be willing to believe in a divinity somewhere no one can see that created everything with magic? i don't think so. It's not that great of a n example but i don't care And another thing i think is absurd is that (i'm gonna impose this on creationists) they all believe in this "divine power" or as i call it simply "magic." Do you believe in magic today? i don't think so, then how can god possibly have it? We need to think logically rather than simply say that "there are some things humans will never understand" or "have faith." Do you see how it blocks thought? I know not totally, but i don't see how magic can be even partially believed in. Such trivial answers to questions i hear are: "How was god created?" "He wasn't, he is forever" "How's that possible?" "We don't know, we can't know everything, have faith for he is god." I mean, does it even make any sort of logical sense that he is forever? That's a fairytale to me (i know not to others). If the bible is true, why are people believing in their own variations of a mix of evolution and the bible. It's true, so then...it's not then entirely? God wrote a book through humyns so we'd have to selectively weed out whats believable and whats not?
6)Finally, i was not accusing you tomas of your perception being different from others at all. I was addressing all in general.
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1)it doesn't deny logical thought to be created through spontaneity because it can be explained in plausible and scientifically possible terms. The probability of it happening does not deny it happened, for we are here. I do not see how any divinity could possible be more plausible. Evolution has proof, randomness is an extension of a basis of proof and creation has...the bible and people of faith, how is that possibly more probable? The bible proclaims it's true, so it's true haha thats absurd. Science finds answers from nothing and proves them. In short, Creation through randomness does not deny logical thought because it doesn't explain itself through circular reasoning, faith, and magic. It explains itself through natural events, even evolution is a proof of randomnesses succesion. As that is random and unprobable as well.
2) Anyway, why hasn't it happened again? It's hard for us at this time to verify whether it has happened again or not. Me, i believe it has happened somewhere else. Personally, i'm still wondering whether we live in a multiverse or not. Would there be a god above that if we could prove it? I believe stephen hawking said something of this. And that's all i need to say.
Last edited by PsychoSnowman on 04-17-2002 at 06:53 PM
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