quote: Originally posted by Spuzzter
Right right, but I know a lot of people that think masturbation is a sin. I have an irish catholic grand-uncle that is vehemently against it, as well as a whiney kid that i heard the other day preaching that it was a sin... is it, really?
And if it's so wrong, then why does it feel so right?
(hooho shock value! )
Ah, i'll just ask cause we're going to be trying to figure out what you are looking for in posts after this for awhile and this will save time. What do you mean by "is it, really?" in regards to if it's a sin (i.e. what do you consider a sin?, just going against the word of god? breaking a commandment? or what?) I adhere to going against the will of god is a sin, i might be wrong for thinking that but that's what i think it is, anyway, so yes it would be a sin. But i need to know your definition if we are going to progress anywhere at all.
Sure, it's not explicitly said in the bible "masturbation is wrong" but i think it would be subsumed in the mathew quote i showed you over AIM. I'll find it again and post it.
And, whether masturbation feels "right" is subjective, and i'm sure you are just saying this not seriously anyway but i'm answering for everyone else i guess, and me hahah cause i'm bored and have to go to the library again....bah, anyway, you know right is subjective, to me....well, it doesn't feel right at all hahah, according to what i would consider it. But, i really don't care since i don't think there's anything in "right and wrong." (me saying it doesn't sound right to me before i said i didn't think right and wrong exist is not a contradiction, don't waste your time, i explain later but i was just denying the inherency of it and not that i don't think things can be considered right and wrong according to personal standards, but they shouldn't be enforced at ALL, nor used for argumentation when we aren't talking about the same thing, this is all right cause we are talking about the bible but the minute you said "it feels so right" that strayed to a personal morality issue and it's not consistent.) It's so subjective i just throw it out, i'm tangenting off but i hate it when people throw in the word right or wrong to give some ungodly ammount of weight to what they just stated when they haven't said anything except a subjective value, it's not as if it's inherently wrong or inherently right, it's a cop out if you ask me. Anyway, so back to this again hahah, it's wrong according to bibilical beliefs because it's said not to lust and that is somethign that entails lust.
Edit, here's that TM (hoho) quote i was talkiong about :
"You have heard that it was said to those of old, `You shall not commit adultery....But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
-Matthew 5:27
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