Okay, religions say there's a Heaven, and a Hell. I see there are NEW logics after life, and Heaven and Hell ARE new logics. New logics mean ANYTHING, which I'm sure most people know the definition of. ANYTHING includes relogions. Yet, people say I'm wrong, which means EVERYTHING is wrong, which means THEIR OWN beliefs are wrong. And even if my belief of logic beyond logic IS wrong, then that would mean ANYTHING is wrong, making a whole new logic in its own...but people still say I'm wrong, which is only further proving themselves wrong...and, everything God does is supposed to be for the better...yet, everything has flaws...if he has his reasons, that only means a new logic can explain it. But if we die, and go to Hell because we didn't believe in him, how can he do that? (Why he's even ABOVE us I don't know) He can't do that, because, we had no PROOF he existed, and yet, he created us so that we WON'T believe in him...like a man, who has a promise to another, but loses his memory. Then he's punished for it, and he doesn't know why...SAME THING. So basically, if I am wrong YOU are too, because EVERYTHING INCLUDES YOU.

Tell me if you agree...if you disagree, tell why, and chances are, you're saying that ANYTHING POSSIBLE is wrong, saying YOU are wrong....

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I agree with what you are saying, and I understood everything, too. I'm actually Anti-Religion. I think that Religion is just another way to cover up peoples' insecurities.

I believe that there is no God, and if there were One, There wouldn't really be so many problems. That's just IMO. But if there truly were a God, I think that the world would work differently.


Back to what you were trying to say.
If somebody commits a murder, and he gets the death penalty, the person giving the death penalty would be just as bad as the murderer himself.

If the murderer is 'wrong'
than the person giving the death penalty is 'wrong' too.

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Religion is possible, since religion is a new logic in itself....but, unfortunately, humans are too stupid to find what we call "truth"....and death may be the only way to escape this crappy "reality"...

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Okay, religions say there's a Heaven, and a Hell. I see there are NEW logics after life, and Heaven and Hell ARE new logics. New logics mean ANYTHING, which I'm sure most people know the definition of. ANYTHING includes relogions. Yet, people say I'm wrong, which means EVERYTHING is wrong, which means THEIR OWN beliefs are wrong.

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I believe that there is no God, and if there were One, There wouldn't really be so many problems. That's just IMO. But if there truly were a God, I think that the world would work differently.

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Our world CAN exist if there is no God, for the one reason that there are new logics...there can be a way, that we can "exist" without having there be a god....we can't know of what we don't know of...

Why did God create us just to watch billions suffer? Is this some kind of cruel joke? How could an all loving God Do this to us?

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"God" is just another way to cover insecurities.

Who created the people?
God did.

Who created the trees, etc.
God did.


I'm not trying to go against any religion. Nor am I saying that the world cannot exist without God, vice versa.

But if he did exist and 'loved us' he wouldn't backstab us, nor make us feel like it.

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God is not just a way to cover up insecurities. It is an explanation of how everything is here. I do not see why everyone is so sure of themselves.

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Our world CAN exist if there is no God, for the one reason that there are new logics...there can be a way, that we can "exist" without having there be a god....we can't know of what we don't know of...

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who said God loved us in the first place? must He have emotions? and even if He did, what is love really, in God's mind? what makes you think youre capable of understanding His mind as to judge Him?

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It doesn't matter what we are here for...it won't matter. NOTHING does....Some people believe love is why we're here...below and behold, you can love people all you want, but it won't really accomplish much...it will only make you "happy" which is human standards, and human standards are crapped up, because humans themselves are. My point is, whatever we do, it won't have purpose or reason. We die, we go to heaven, so what? What does it accomplish? However, new logic may be able to answer that question...

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It doesn't matter what we are here for...it won't matter. NOTHING does....Some people believe love is why we're here...below and behold, you can love people all you want, but it won't really accomplish much...it will only make you "happy" which is human standards, and human standards are crapped up, because humans themselves are.

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Explain then, how there CAN be purpose.

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how there can be a purpose? if something created us, there very well could be a purpose.

Here is the question that is harder to answer, why can there not be a purpose?

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whys it matter, just wait till you die

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I don't think we're here for the sake of love.

If we were.. Why is there death?

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cuz thats how it is..not an answer for everything, jeez oh man, lol .. some things you just wont kno

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But why..?

Why is our world like this?

With murder and everything..?

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I don't think we're here for the sake of love.

If we were.. Why is there death?

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Isn't this why our logic sucks? This world was horribly created to leave our question unanswered. Also, humans themselves were also crappily made, always wanting more...we will never be satisfied with what we get as an answer... So why did a creator, if there was one, create us like this? We suffer because of HIS (or her, or something else...) misdeed and failure of creating us... But, in a different logic, there may be reason.... I feel I'm being a bit repetative in saying that...

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