as we all know, in the news, there was an issue with the use of the words "under god" in the pledge. it's against the constitution (first amendment i think?) to acknowledge a god in the pledge, as the prosecution says. i think this is terrible and it's abuse of the constitution. anyone know any other times the constitution has been abused? i can think of several times that the ACLU has done so.

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i think of any times off the top of my head....and yours doesn't really seem like an abuse example either...so none.

It's amazing you think that, first ammendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." Common law today has made the accepted version of law to be any sort of advocacy by the government (no jesus pictures in school, etc.). It's only fair, the government can't endorse a pledge of allegience if they are advocating any religion, and "under god" clearly shows a religion. I really can't grasp your defense about it. There's nothing abusive about it.

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i am sorta nuetral on this. i agree wit snowman's and yet i dont think it should be such a big deal. the founders of this nation were mainly at first christians that ran from europe because of the "luvin and acceptin" catholics.... gettin back on topic i mean if we stop the pledge wat about the coins and dollars? dont they hav under god on them somethin? i dunno i think we should hav a choice 2 or not but watever.

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There's nothing abusive about it.

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i am sorta nuetral on this. i agree wit snowman's and yet i dont think it should be such a big deal. the founders of this nation were mainly at first christians that ran from europe because of the "luvin and acceptin" catholics.... gettin back on topic i mean if we stop the pledge wat about the coins and dollars? dont they hav under god on them somethin? i dunno i think we should hav a choice 2 or not but watever.

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well we as the people have abused a rite before like the right to bear arms. its ment and stated for state militia. it never said public or the common man. but not sayin it is rite 2 abuse a rite just givin some more fuel

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well we as the people have abused a rite before like the right to bear arms. its ment and stated for state militia. it never said public or the common man. but not sayin it is rite 2 abuse a rite just givin some more fuel

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, we've upheld different interpretations.

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dude go read the actually statement for right 2 bear arms. it says in words "state militia" never said public. i dont hav a side on this because its been done and yet it shouldnt be done.

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god, what are you refuting now? I agreed with that.... , go and read the post will you.

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god, what are you refuting now? I agreed with that.... , go and read the post will you.

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...nvm im confused again

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